Sunday, April 20, 2008

Caring for Civil War Casualties

After learning about the way in which medical care developed during the Civil War, read the excerpts from the diary of M.W. Bates, and answer these questions:
1. How did the ambulance driver and Dr. Avery behave under fire? Do you think they behaved responsibly? Why or why not?
2. What response did Dr. Goodale give when asked about Lt. Bates's condition? Why do you think surgeons did not attempt to operate on severely wounded patients?
3. Why does Bates believe he survived his wounds? What further challenge did Bates face on his trip home?

62 comments:

jose m said...

Viviana && Jose.
period.2

1.The driver acted like a coward because he wanted too run away.the doctor said if he ran away he would shoot him..so Dr.Avery acted very brave. i think they did not act responsibly because they did not take the patient to the hospital.

2.Dr.Goodale said Lt. Bates condition was dangerous.there was no way they could of followed through on the surgery because of danger to hurt him even more.the same goes for other severely wounded patients.

3. Lt. bates beleived he survived his wounds because he didnt die from it.he also faced the challenge of going through a long ride home were he kept getting hurt.

pedro b said...

Pedro B & Evelyn G
Per.2

1) They felt scared, demoralized.
2) They behaved worried about the wounded men.
3)

Andrew T said...

Andrew Trejo XD
Per 2

1. The driver jump off his seat and wanted to run but Dr Avery drew his revolver and made the driver do his job. I think the way the driver behaved has no responsibly because lots of people would have died. The Doc on the other hand the way he behaved was responsibly because with the driver they could not get people to hospital quickly.

2. There is no

ricardo s said...

Ricardo Soto Period 2

The ambulance driver and Dr. Avery got scared when they were under fire. I think they behaved responsibly because that was unexpecting.
The response that Dr. Goodale give when he asked about Lt. Bates's condition

bryanc said...

Bryan C & Christina T
Period 2
1. The Driver was sad and jumped from his seat and flew but, Dr.Avery drew out his revolver and held down the driver to his post and got off safely. We think that the driver was not responsible because he tried to leave the battle without taking the wounded to the
hospital but, the doctor was responsible because he was ready to take the wounded to get help.
2.

fidel said...

Fidel And Ryan
Period 2



1. The driver jump out of the ambulance and try to run but the doctor went out and to out a gun and told the driver to keep doing his job.

2.

bryanc said...

Bryan C & Christina T
Period 2
1. The Driver was sad and jumped from his seat and flew but, Dr.Avery drew out his revolver and held down the driver to his post and got off safely. We think that the driver was not responsible because he tried to leave the battle without taking the wounded to the
hospital but, the doctor was responsible because he was ready to take the wounded to get help.
2.

bryanc said...

Bryan C & Christina T
Period 2
1. The Driver was sad and jumped from his seat and flew but, Dr.Avery drew out his revolver and held down the driver to his post and got off safely. We think that the driver was not responsible because he tried to leave the battle without taking the wounded to the
hospital but, the doctor was responsible because he was ready to take the wounded to get help.
2.

bryanc said...

Bryan C & Christina T
Period 2
1. The Driver was sad and jumped from his seat and flew but, Dr.Avery drew out his revolver and held down the driver to his post and got off safely. We think that the driver was not responsible because he tried to leave the battle without taking the wounded to the
hospital but, the doctor was responsible because he was ready to take the wounded to get help.
2.

johana a said...

Eder & Johana
per 2

1.the driver and the dr. avery behaved sort of good knowing h circumstance they're in because they got out safely

Lauren said...

** Marilyn P. & Lauren L. **
Period 2

1. The driver was irresponsible because he jumped out of the ambulance wanting to run away but Dr. Avery was being responsible by making the driver do his job .

2. Goodale's response to L.T. Bate's condition was "nothing more can be done for him". We think that the surgeons didn't try to operate on some severely wounded patients because they

Yaritza said...

Yaritza & Ines 4/21/08 Per.2

DR. Avery and the ambulance person behaved in the fire accident was very strange because the driver demoralized, and Dr. Avery threatened the driver to get back to work. this citation proves our answer,When the ambulance came up to take in the wounded, the driver became demoralized and jumped from his seat to cut the traces and fly, Dr. Avery drew his revolver and held the driver to his work, and got off safely.

Nely R said...

Nely and Yasmeen
Period 2


#1: How Dr. Avery and the ambulance driver behaved under fire was that the doctor

#2: THe response that Dr. Goodale gave when asked about Lt. Bates condition was that

#3: Why Bates believed he survived his wound was that

steve g said...

Steve and Jaime
period 2

1. The ambulance driver behaved childish under fire and the doctor behaved mature so the driver didn't act responsible and the doctor did because the driver tried to run away but the doctor stopped him.

misael p said...

Misael P. and Janelle H. Per. 2

1. The driver started to panic and he wanted to get away or run away from the gun shots. Dr. Avery took out his revolver and placed it to the driver. No they did not behaved responsibly because the driver started to panic and Dr. Avery took out a revolver.

2. His response was that they could do nothing more to help him. They did not wont to spend anymore time in a area were they were getting shot at.

3.

Melissa and Victor (•_•) said...

Victor & Melissa

Period 4

1)"When the ambulance came up to take in the wounded, the driver became demoralized and jumped from his seat to cut the traces and fly, Dr. Avery drew his revolver and held the driver to his work, and got off safely." i think that the driver acted irresponsible because he should have tried to run way also i think the driver acted responsibly because he put the driver to work h was doing his job and although he might have been scared he helped the wounded.

2)

Jesus s. said...

daniel and jesus period 4
1)The ambulance driver acted like a coward so Dr. Avery pulled a revolver out and brought him back.
2)There was nothing more they could do for him so they decided not to waste there time on him when the can help other people instead.
3)

angel p said...

1. The driver became scared and the doctor threatened
him to go on. The doctor did to keep going but not the driver

2.Dr. Goodale said that lt. Bate would not survive. They didn't operate on them because they might kill them.

3.Bates believes he survived because of his resolution. On his trip home he traveled on a bumpy road and kept crashing into walls of the ambulence

period 4
angel jessica

Javier T said...

Javier
Period 4

1) the ambulance driver got scared and he jumped to cut the traces but the Dr. drew his gun and pointed it at the driver and forced him to drive.
2) He said there was nothing that can be done for him. I think they didnt attempt to operate on severely wounded soldiers because they didnt want to waste their time while they can help someone with a better chance
3)

Jonathan T. said...

Citlali & jonathan
per.4
1)the ambulance driver wanted to run away and the doctor pulled out his gun to make the driver do his job. the doctor behaved responsibly because he wanted to finish the job and the driver didn't because he wanted to leave.
2)'nothing more can be done for him. they did not attempt to do operations because they do not have enough materials and they had a lot more other patients to attend.

Monica [: said...

Marcos and Monica
Period 4

1) The reaction of the driver and the doctor was that the doctor had a hand gun that told the driver to not run away.
We think that they did not act responsible because the doctor forced the driver not to flee.
2)He told them that there was nothing else they could do for him.
We think that they would not do anything for them because they believed that they couldn't do anything thing for them anything for them because of the loss of blood in the wounds.
3) He believed that he survived because he vowed that he would not fill a North Carolina grave.
The road he was on was very bumpy and he kept going from one place to another.

Marcos Noya said...

Marcos Noya and Arianna [:
Peiod 5

1:The ambulance driver didn't behave under fire because he wnted to leave, and get out of the car. Dr. Avery on the other hand, did behave because he was willing to get the wounded man to safety.
2: When they asked Dr. Goodale about Lt. Bate's condition; he responded by saying, "Nothing more can be done to him."The surgeons did not attemt to operate on severely wounded patients because they did not have enough of the necessary materials.
3: Bates believed he survived his wounds because

Christopher P. said...

1. How the Ambulance Driver behaved under fire was scared and wanted to run away while the doctor pointed his gun at him. I don't think they acted responsibly because back then doctors wouldn't have a revolver.

2. Dr.Goodale response was: "nothing more could be done for him". I think surgeons did not to want to attempt to operate because maybe everything they had could not have been used or they didn't know or want to continue operating on that person.

Wendy Rincon said...

wendy and luis
per.4

1)the driver tried to runaway . Dr.Avery took out his gun and made him put the wounded on the ambulance. The driver acted foolish and made him look unresponsible.

Maria A said...

Maria and Beatriz
Period 4

1) The ambulance driver felt very scared and tried to scape with his wagon. Dr. Avery pointed his gun at the ambulance driver and told him that if he escaped he will shoot him.

2) He said no because the patient was already dying.

3)

daniel f and eduardo z. said...

1.The ambulence driver ran away under fire but the doctor pointed a gun at him so he could do his job
2.There nothing more that can be done for him, Cause they could use thier time better with patients with not that sever wounds.
3.he thinks he survived it because a vow he made that he will not fill a north carolina grave,he had to ride an ambulance drive until new york.

FRANK said...

Danny & Frank
per.4

he ran away and the doctor pointed a gun at him so he could return.

Unknown said...

Bryan and Rodolfo
Period 4

1) I think Dr. Avery behaved responsibly and the driver did not because Dr. Avery had a revolver pointed at the driver because the driver tried to leave him and the wounded and Dr. Avery said no come back and lets take the wounded to the medical tents.

2) Dr. Goodale said," Nothing more can be done for him". Because it could be a wast of time and it could take the lives of other people.

3)Bates heard some of them saying they would have to leave me there and I remember recording a vow that I would not fill a North Carolina grave then, and that resolution saved him.

Cindy A. said...

Cindy Abarca and Zuleima Vazquez Per.4

1.The driver wanted to runaway but the doctor made him stay by threatning him with a gun. The doctor behaved responsible because he made the driver do his job. The driver didn't act responsible he acted like a coward.
2.There was nothing more that they could do to him. Surgeons didn't want to waste their time on severe patients when they could save the wounded.
3. When he opened his eyes and found himself alive. The ride that he had to go through.

pedro b said...

Pedro B. & Evelyn G.

3. He wasn't badly hit but had a chance to live.

viviana. said...

Viviana && Jose.
period.2

1.The driver acted like a coward because he wanted too run away.the doctor said if he ran away he would shoot him..so Dr.Avery acted very brave. i think they did not act responsibly because they did not take the patient to the hospital.

2.Dr.Goodale said there was nothing he could do about Lt.Bates's congition.i think surgeons didnt attempt to operate on severely wounded patients because it was a waste of time.

3. Lt. bates beleived he survived his wounds because he didnt die from it.he also faced the challenge of going through a long ride home were he kept getting hurt.

Lauren said...

Marilyn P. & Lauren L.
Period 2

3. Why does Bates believe he survived his wounds? What further challenge did Bates face on his trip home?

erik r said...

chris g & erik r
period 2

1) When the ambulance came up to take in the wounded, the driver became demoralized and jumped from his seat to cut the traces and fly

2) Dr. Goodale said that nothing more can be done for him about Lt. bates condition

3) he made a vow that he would not die in North Carolina so that resoluition saved him.the problem on his way home was that their ambulance dropped through between them striking on the axle forcing them both with a bump against the head board.

pedro b said...

Pedro B. & Evelyn G.
per.2

2) Photo 1 is organized with the plan but photo 2 is scattered with many wounded in one area.

3) There are more wounded men on one area spreading infections & disease next to each other.

viviana. said...

vivana. && jesus.

1.In the first picture there is less people injured than in the second. In the first there is approximately 13 men. In the second picture there is approximately 50 men scattered all over the ground.

2. In the secod picture there was more seriously injured patients and less medical attention.

3. in a modern hospital there would be mre technology.

Andrew T said...

Andrew Trejo XD

2. 'nothing more can be done for him.' They thought that he was going to die and they didn't want to use there supplies on him.

3. A vow he made not to die in North Carolina. He just got out of the hospital and the ride was rough and hard.

ricardo s said...

Ricardo Soto and Jeovanny Lara Period 2

1 The ambulance driver and Dr. Avery were surprise to be under fire. I think they behaved responsibly because they were getting shot
2

bryanc said...

Bryan C & Christina T
period 2
2. That nothing can be done and that his chances where slim and that he might die. The surgeons because of Dr.Avery.

johana a said...

Eder & Johana
per 2

2. They said that nothing could be done for him anymore. Because their condition was to severe .

steve g said...

Steve and Jaime
period 2

2. They said nothing more can be done for him just like in the quote"Dr. Avery, in company with the Corps surgeon, who, after looking at me, and inquiring of Dr. Goodale what he was doing for me, remarked 'nothing more can be done for him.'' I think they did not operate on the other patients because some were dead and they had few doctors and many patients.

3. He believed he will survived his wounds because he made a vow that he will survive just like in this quote "I remember recording a vow that I would not fill a North Carolina grave then, and I think that resolution saved me." He had to take along trip while his wounds were aching from the surgery.

Nely R said...

Nely and yasmeen
period: 2

#1:How Dr. Avery and the ambulance driver behave under fire is that the doctor panicked and pointed the revolver at the driver. I think that they didn't because they didn't act in an orderly calm manner.

#2:The response that Dr. Goodale gave when asked about Lt. Bates condition was that he might not live he could have died of blood loss.
Why we think the surgeons didn't attempted to operate on the severely wounded patients was that they might have died faster or it might not have worked so there was no point.

#3: Why Bates believed he survived his wounds was that he still had a promise to make.
A challenge he faced on his trip home was that the road he was on was bumpy and that it made him hit the head board and the wheel fell off.

Yaritza said...

Yaritza & Inez continue .... per.2

#2) When Dr. Goodal's Was asked about Lt. Bates condition his response was astonishing! He believed Bates lived,

#3) We believe that the surgeons did not operate on severly wounded patients because there was no point in doing it the patients were going to die no matter

Marcos Noya said...

Marcos Noya and Arianna [:
Period 4

3: Bates believed he survived his wounds because he had remembered recording a vow that it would not be reserved in North Carolina for a grave.

Javier T said...

Javier and Alan
period 4

3) He vowed he would not fill a north carolina grave and he thinks that saved him. The road on the way to goldsboro was really really bumpy and horrible 'cause of the war

Jonathan T. said...

Citlali & Jonathan
Per.4

3)He thinks he survived his wounds because he remembers recording a vow that would not be filled for a north carolina grave for him.

Christopher P. said...

Question 3.

Bates believes he survived his wounds by saying a vow that said "I would not fill a North Carolina grave then, and I think that resolution saved me. The further challenge Bates had to survive was to go over log roads and, the rain misplaced the logs and were on a dangerous road and Bates was getting hit on the head a lot.

Unknown said...

Bryan and Rodolfo
Period 4

3b) There was a log road which hurt Bates when he was going back home. There heads are striking the foot board, then a side lurch shaking up from side to side and against each other all that weary day and far in the night.

FRANK said...

Danny & Frank
per.4

He said no because people with a lot of wounds were going to die.

Gustavo G. said...

Gus and Edith
period 4.

1. They both got scared and tried to run away.
2. He said no because people with alot of wounds were about to die.
3. He believed that he didn't die because he didn't want to die there, but in Michigan.

Daniel P. said...

daniel and jesus period 4
cont.........
3)he believed that he survived because he made a vow to his friend that he wouldn't die , also the road was bumpy one the way home.

Gustavo G. said...

Gus and Edith
period 4.

1. They both got scared and tried to run away.
2. He said no because people with alot of wounds were about to die.
3. He believed that he didn't die because he didn't want to die there, but in Michigan.

FRANK said...

Danny & Frank
per.4

I heard some of them saying they would have to leave me there and I remember recording a vow that I would not fill a North Carolina grave then, and I think that resolution saved me.

To you who know the condition of the roads at the time and place, any description of that ride is unnecessary, the army had passed over it with the artillery and wagon trains, it was much of the way corduroyed [covered with logs laid across the road], the high water having misplaced many of the logs, our ambulance dropped through between them striking on the axle forcing us both with a bump against the head boar

Melissa and Victor (•_•) said...

2) Dr. Goodale responded by saying that LT. Bate was going to die. We don't think that they would operate because it might have been to complicated and the soldiers were going to die anyway

3)"I think that resolution saved me."
" Our ambulance dropped through between them striking on the axle forcing us both with a bump against the head board, and then as the hind wheels followed, our heads striking the foot board, then a side lurch shaking up from side to side and against each other all that weary day and far into the night. May I never have another such ride."

By: Victor and Melissa x)

Maria A said...

MARIA AND BEATRIZ
PERIOD 4

3 )He promised himself that he wouldn't fill in an empty grave in north carolina and thats what kept him alive,(I remember recording a vow that I would not fill a North Carolina grave then, and I think that resolution saved me.)

Marcos Noya said...

Extra Credit: Arianna Medina [:

1] Pic #1 In the picture, surgery is being done and people are gathered around. It looks as if the clothes the men are wearing resemble to the clothes soldiers would wear in the war.
Pic #2 This picture is somewta like the first one..except there are more people, and these people are people who had gotten injured in the war.

2] The Letterman plan relates

Luis T. said...

wendy and luis
period 4

2)Dr. Goodale said that Lt. Bates was going to die. we think they didn't try to operate because they were scare it might kill them.

3)Bates believed that he was going o survive because of the resolution that vowed that he would not fill in a grave from North Carolina. On his trip home Bates rode on an ambulance. The road was bumpy, uneven and covered with logs laid across the road.

Veronika/Jesse said...

[continued]

2.) Dr.Goodale said that Lt. Bates was going to die. We think they didn't try to operate because they were scared it might kill them.

3.) Bates believed that he survived because of resolution that vowed that he would not fill a grave from North Carolina. On his trip home, Bates rode on an ambulance. The road was bumpy, uneven, and covered with logs laid across the road.

Marcos C. said...

Marcos and Monica
Period 4

1) Photo 1 there are 14 men in the hospital tent. They look like they are from the north and there is an injured soldier in a bed that is in pain. I believe there is a doctor with tools ready to operate.
Photo 2 there is about 50 people on the ground in front of a tent hospital. Some are waiting for the doctor to get some help because some are in the ground, so this picture says that the hospital were filled during this war.
2) The changes were that they chande the locations of hospital.
3) That in the modern operations would have saved more lives. There was a good cause if there was a surgary team to help.

Unknown said...

Bryan and Rodolfo
Period 4

1st picture) It looks like the people are more organized than the other people. It seems like they are operating on a soldier who got wounded.

2nd picture) They look disorganized and it looks like they are diseases flying around.

eduardo_14 said...

ONLY BRYAN MELOZA NOT EDUARDO
IMAGE QUESTIONS
1. THE PICTURE OF 1863 LOOKED MORE ORGANIZED AND WITH LESS PEOPLE PLUS MORE HEALTHIER WHAT I MEAN IS THAT THERES NOT DEAD PEOPLE OR WOUNDED PEOPLE EVERYWHERE ON THE FLOOR SO IT IS BETTER. THE PICTURE IN 1862 LOOKS VERY DISORGANIZED BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE LAYING EVERYWHERE AND CAN SPREAD DISEASES
2. IT SHOWS THAT OVER A 1 YEAR DIFFERENCE THAT PEOPLE CHANGED THERE STRATEGY AND GOT MORE ORGANIZED
3.THE MODERN ONE WOULD BE WAY MORE ORGANIZED BETTER SURGEONS AND MORE
YES BECAUSE THEY WOULD JUST OPERATE WITHOUT KNOWING THAT THERE OPERATION WILL DO GOOD

M. Albert said...

Hello everyone:

I enjoyed reading your posts. Did you realize that you were reading the actual words of a real soldier from the Civil War? I wonder if Mr. M.W. Bates could have ever imagined that students would be reading about his experiences and his thoughts 143 years later! Do you think that students in 2151 (143 years from now) might read your work?

Remember that when you post on our blog, it might be read by serious people. You want those people to take your ideas seriously. That is why it is so important to use proper punctuation and grammar. Explain your answers completely. And don't just drop in quotes -- explain them, and read over your comments before you publish to the world.

So for now, have fun blogging. I'll see you in cyberspace!

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